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  • Steve B
    Club Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 2725
    • Rockland county New York
    • Lonestar Grillz 24x36 offset smoker, grill, w/ main chamber charcoal grate and 3 tel-tru thermometers - left, right and center
      Yoke Up custom charcoal basket and a Grill Wraps cover.

      22.5 copper kettle w/ SnS, DnG, BBQ vortex, gasket and stainless steel hinge kit.

      Napoleon gas grill (soon to go bye bye) rotting out.

      1 maverick et-733 digital thermometer - black
      1 maverick et-733 - gray
      1 new standard grilling remote digital thermometer
      1 thermoworks thermopen mk4 - red
      1 thermoworks thermopop - red

      Pre Miala flavor injector
      taylor digital scale
      TSM meat grinder
      chefs choice food slicer
      cuisinhart food processor
      food saver vacuum sealer
      TSM harvest food dehydrator

    Can anyone explain this weather?

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  • Greasy
    Charter Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 188
    • Oahu
    • Traeger Pro 22
      18.5 WSM
      Weber Kettle with SNS
      Weber Genesis
      Weber Smokey Joe

    #2
    It looks pretty cold to me!

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      Look at the bottom right of the screen. 🤔

    • Greasy
      Greasy commented
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      That is weird! Must be pretty tricky snow.
  • FireMan
    Charter Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 6869
    • Bottom of Winnebago

    #3
    Yes, it’s weather change or climate difference or messed up outside or global warming/cooling, ya know, it’s weird.

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      But how is it sunny 61* and it says that the snow will end at 5:45pm. Splain that one to me.
  • RonB
    Club Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 11421
    • Near Richmond VA
    • Weber Performer Deluxe
      SNS
      Pizza insert
      Rotisserie
      Smokenator 1000
      Cookshack Smokette Elite
      2 Thermapens
      Chefalarm
      Dot
      lots of probes.
      CyberQ

    #4
    If weathermen can't 'splain the weather, how do you expect anyone here to do it?

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      Figure someone here is more competent 😂
  • Troutman
    Club Member
    • Aug 2017
    • 6677
    • Republic of Texallence

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    #5
    Oh global/smobal, it's winter time expect the unexpected. It's already been close to 80* this week in Houston.

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      But does your weather screen says it’s also snowing 🤔
  • FireMan
    Charter Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 6869
    • Bottom of Winnebago

    #6
    Oh, you wanted an EXplanation of the snow whilst it’s sittyone out der over der. Whelp, ya see when the clouds, that are way up there ya know, yup, when they let the snow rip from there tanks, the snow doesn’t have much of a chance & very little time for all of its existence. Cuz, the temperture and the sun are sorta the enemy, just a fightin & a killin em all off. Bottom line, no snow flakes make it, at least to the ground anyways. So, the snow ends at about 5:45, cept ya don’t know it unless somebody tells ya so.

    Or, it’s a typo.

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      Kinda thinking someone wasn’t paying attention or was just messin with us.
  • jgg85234
    Charter Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 735
    • Gilbert, AZ (Suburb of Phoenix)
    • *Cooking Equipment
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      Kamado Joe Joetisserie (2017)
      Weber 22.5" Kettle (K Date Code - 1988) Wooden handles/wood side table
      Adrenaline BBQ Company Slow n Sear #61
      Adrenaline BBQ Company Drip n Griddle
      Weber Smokey Mountain 14.5" (2014)
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      *Favorite White Wine - Sonoma Cutrer Chardonnay
      *Favorite Beer - Budweiser Budvar (Czechvar in the US) frisch vom fass
      *Favorites to grill - New York Strips or Top Sirloins, pizzas are fun too
      *Favorites to smoke - Baby Back or St. Louis Ribs, Pork Butts, Standing Rib Roast, Strip Loin Roast, Tri-Tip, Chicken, Turkey, Pork Loin, Cornish Hens

    #7
    Can’t find a place called “City, NY” so its either a virtual reality game or perhaps a parallel Universe where it snows at a higher temperature 🤒

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    • Steve B
      Steve B commented
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      Hahahahaha. I like that. 👍

    • ddmcwhirter
      ddmcwhirter commented
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      I think it's called "Ice 9" or some such....Kurt Vonnegut
  • DavidNorcross
    Club Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 830
    • Virginia
    • Rec Tec RT-680
      Coleman RoadTrip LXX
      Javelin Pro Duo
      More Cast Iron than I care to admit

    #8
    Nope, but sure not complaining. What nice day today...

    Comment

    • ComfortablyNumb
      Club Member
      • May 2017
      • 2991
      • Northeast Washington
      • KBQ C-60
        PK360
        Thermoworks Smoke
        Thermoworks Thermopop
        Thermoworks Dot

      #9
      It’s simple, the local ski resort will turn off the snow making machine at 5:45. If you hurry you still have time to wax and edge.

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      • Steve B
        Steve B commented
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        Hmmmm. Didn’t think about that one. You might be on to something here. 🤔

      • ComfortablyNumb
        ComfortablyNumb commented
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        Steve B You aren't the first to imply I'm on something....

      • Steve B
        Steve B commented
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        😂😂😂
    • Mr. Bones
      Birthday Hat Master
      • Sep 2016
      • 7970
      • Kansas Territory
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        Weber Smokey Joe ($25 CL) 'Lil' Brother'
        Weber 22.5 Master Touch '93 P Code Blue($85) from fellow WKC member Bmitch 'Elwood'
        Weber 22.5 Bar-B-Q Kettle '69-'70 "Patent Pending" Red ($80) from fellow WKC member dwnthehatch 'Maureen'
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        Weber "C" Code 18.5" WSM '81 ($50 CL) 8-0!!!
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        Good One Open Range, (FREE), Monthly Prize from AR giveaway!!!!



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        Maverick ET-732, (Black)
        Thermopops, (Red, Yellow, Green)
        ThermaPen Mk4 (Black), THANKS!!! to jgjeske1
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        ThermoWorks IR-GUN-S
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      #10


      Hit Shappens.

      Comment


      • Steve B
        Steve B commented
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        I am seriously LMFAO Bones.
        I sooo remember that commercial.
        You tooo funny. 👊😂👊👍
    • Spinaker
      Moderator
      • Nov 2014
      • 10197
      • Land of Tonka
      • John "J R"
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      #11
      We had a 70 F temp swing over the weekend, MAAAAAAN......did that feel good! Now its 5 F and snowing. Welcome to Minnesota. we stopped questioning the weather, we just deal with it. LOL

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      • Steve R.
        Steve R. commented
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        That's my philosophy. It's gonna do what it's gonna do, it's up to us to adapt and overcome.

      • Bogy
        Bogy commented
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        Hey, that sounds very familiar. Does that in Iowa as well. Not only different weather from day to day, but one end of the state can have way different weather than the other end. And not even that far, one of the "local" (none of the TV stations is really local for my little town) stations has started breaking up their coverage area, about a third of the state, into 4 different zones to cover what the different areas will have.
    • Murdy
      Club Member
      • May 2018
      • 436
      • North-Central Illinois

      #12
      Snow prolly comin from those two big bright UFOs in the sky

      Comment

      • CaptainMike
        Club Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 2223
        • The Great State of Jefferson
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          Bradley cabinet smoker (Pepper Gomez)
          36" Blackstone griddle (The Black Beauty)
          Fireboard
          Thermoworks Smoke and Thermapen.

        #13
        You know, everyone complains about the weather but nobody does a thing about it.

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        • Steve B
          Steve B commented
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          No complaints. Just wondering how it was allegedly snowing and its sunny and 61* out. 🥴

        • CaptainMike
          CaptainMike commented
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          The Texas boys call that Tuesday.
      • wu7y
        Club Member
        • Oct 2017
        • 89
        • Gillette Wyoming

        #14
        After nearly 40 yrs in the legal business I've come to think I should have become a meteorologist. In that business being right 30% of the time I would be considered to have done a good job.

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        • ComfortablyNumb
          Club Member
          • May 2017
          • 2991
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          #15
          Unfortunately most of them can’t do a good job!

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