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  • RonB
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    Extending wifi range

    The free Echo we got for resigning with Fios arrived today. I set it up in the house and it connected to wifi and worked properly. I took it down to the (soon to be) shop thinking I could use it there. However, it would not connect to wifi over the 100' or so between the house and the shop. My Android phone connected with 3 bars.

    QUESTION: will a wifi extender allow me to connect to the Echo in the shop?

    Thoughts, suggestions, and rude comments accepted.
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    #2
    Probably. Since you only need it for the echo I would give it a shot. If you want to do more with it you could consider an expensive mesh system.

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    • Steve R.
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      #3
      Yes. Just get the wifi extender well within the range of your router, and you're golden.

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      • Donw
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        • Jul 2017
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        #4
        Best if you can get something close to line of site and place the extender and echo where building structures won’t interfere much, like near windows. Got 3 remote echos, a weather station, remote control, and a FlightAware ADS-B receiver all spread out over 6 acres and working fine.

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        • Attjack
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          #5
          My property is pretty big and my house is old and has plaster and lathe walls so it's less than ideal for wifi. I would like to buy a mesh system but I think they're still over priced. I'm considering moving my router to a better location for now but I'll have to run wires all over.

          I don't like the extender solution a lot because you end up with a second SSID.
          Last edited by Attjack; January 15, 2019, 09:17 AM.

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          • Henrik
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            • Jul 2014
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            #6
            An extender will most likely get the job done, but I would like to suggest simply digging down a TP cable and putting a cheap switch in your shop. That will get you a rock solid connection. You can hook the echo to the switch (or tp cable) in your shop. The gear/cabling is cheap. The big question is how much work it is to pull/dig an ethernet cable from A to B :-)

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            • ddmcwhirter
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              #7
              If your shop is electrically fed from the house...you can use wall socket plug in connectors through the house electric wiring...ethernet from router to plug in...the other plug in at the shop. That gives you an ethernet connection at the shop. That can feed a wifi extender. My Netgear system rated 2 gigabits works great. It has to communicate on electric wires running to a circuits distribution box, thence to the main box, thence to another circuits distribution box located over one hundred feet away. I added a wifi extender so that several devices could connect, including an Echo. My only difficulty for internet and movie streaming is my dsl service...started at 12 megabits several years ago, degraded to 6 mbs, and now runs no better than 4 mbs...I'm at the end of the line for telephone service, the dsl signal feeds from a facility four miles away (though only one quarter mile as the crow flies), and new subdivisions each with hundreds of homes have been built in the last few years. Regardless, my golf simulator works well in tournaments over the internet.

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              • jfmorris
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                I think this could work well, but I think will require that the power line extenders both be on the same leg of the main coming into the house's breaker panel. I.e. you have line 1 and line 2, 120V each, 240V across - you need these both on circuits on the same side of the main panel (most have 2 columns of breakers).

              • RonB
                RonB commented
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                Unfortunately, they are separate. My Dad and I built the small house and my wife, son and I lived there for a few years while we built the big house. The power co. ran a new line to the big house.

              • jtw
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                Those Powerline Network Adapters have drawbacks. I don't know how reliable the signals are, and I believe there are speed limitations. However, they may work well enough for your situation.

                If you're a conspiracy theorist, you could be concerned about electric "leaks" which could allow anyone sharing your power to intercept your network traffic.
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              #8
              My house is not overly large, but is 75 feet long, and I have never been able to get full Wifi coverage with a single router. Long ago I ran ethernet through the crawlspace from one end to the other, and I have routers at each end of the house, with the same SSID and password, so that roaming is seamless. Last year I got tired of spotty coverage in my detached office building, and ran ethernet through conduit I buried in the yard and put a 3rd access point out here.

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              • Potkettleblack
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                #9
                I use a device called an Orbi, which is actually three devices... a router, and two satellites. It's called Mesh WiFi. Like JF, I have a long house with wifi deadening walls and could never get the wifi to work well in my sous vide room, or at all on my deck. We are also in an apartment building, and the folks above and below, plus folks to the north and the south, three-four stories deep, are all projecting wifi into my area.

                The Orbi works amazingly. There are now no deadspots in my apartment or on my deck. I can even get pretty good wifi in the driveway, down two stories. And out the front gate. You can daisy chain Orbi satellites, to extend in a linear manner, with less loss than traditional extenders. The Wirecutter from the NY Times put me onto the Orbi, and I am nothing but happy with the results.

                https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/be...tworking-kits/

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                • EdF
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                  I've got the same setup in a long house with plaster walls, and an out-building. Works great!
              • jtw
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                #10
                Those cheap "extenders" are mostly junk. By design they can only support about half of your wifi speed (because it has to connect in two directions, one to your access point/router and one to your devices). Also, if the extender is close enough to the source to have a decent connection itself, then you're practically close enough with your devices just to skip the extender entirely.

                If you CAN run a cable out there, you can set up a small access point/antenna with the same SSID and you're good to go.

                If you can't run ethernet cable the whole way, then you're looking at either some technical work or some expensive gear (or both). You might be able to try a more powerful access point instead of the one that's probably combined with your modem/router, and it might have the juice to reach out to the shop. I use a Ubiquiti access point (https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lr/) but it takes a little effort to get everything configured.

                The mesh solutions are nice, but they can get pricey too. May not be worth it just for an Echo.

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                • jtw
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                  #11
                  Here's a little discussion thread that seems to have the same question that you do:
                  https://community.netgear.com/t5/Pow...g/td-p/1431539

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                  • RonB
                    RonB commented
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                    Thanx, but the power company ran separate lines from the street to each building.
                • ddmcwhirter
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                  #12
                  Given separate power supplies, and I assume a fair distance, I'd look at the Ubiquiti stuff that beams - receives microwaves point to point. You'll see claims of connection across miles...but I've also read that other microwave sources often interfere. But a few hundred feet?

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                  • RonB
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                    #13
                    Thanx again to all. I ordered an extender this morning. I will see how that goes...

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                    • RonB
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                      #14
                      The extender arrived today and using the WPS buttons, it was easy to connect to the PC's wifi. However, I can find nothing related to wifi on my computer.
                      I tried 5 different ways to straighten this out, and none of them worked.

                      I am apparently missing a wireless network adapter, and tried several ways to install that with no luck.

                      Our son, the computer programmer/ computer expert is coming home next week, so I will let him figure it out - I've had it. X4

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                      • RonB
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                        #15
                        Well, this is embarrassing...

                        Since the Echo was already in the shop, I went ahead and plugged in the extender, (in the house). Then, when I went down to the shop later I tried logging into the extender - the network showed on my phone. It worked - sorta. The Echo connected to the original wifi network without any problem - ignoring the newer, more powerful extender....

                        Well, I have the Echo working in the shop, and that's what counts.

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                        • EdF
                          EdF commented
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                          Attaching to the extender may still show as being connected to the main network. If you go to the router page, it may show the actual connection.

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