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    Electronics spree - making the jump to 4K video! :D

    So I'm a techno-nerd in addition to a BBQ junkie. I've had the bug for a while to upgrade to a 4k TV and finally saved up the last couple months and pulled the trigger this week, after much research.

    There are always compromises when it comes to TVs. Size vs picture quality, cost vs technology, etc. Ideally, I'd get the biggest, best, brightest, best quality and cheapest set available. Or a cost-no-object set if I were like some of you guys, lol. But I have limitations in my viewing area, my budget and not overly annoying The Wife! lol

    So here's what I ended up with so far:

    Vizio 4k UHD P-series 75" P75-F1 LED (FALD) panel (replacing an older 3D Vizio 1080p). My old Samsung 55" plasma is coming down off the wall in the second living area, I guess. I don't know yet.

    Philips 4k BDP7502 Blu Ray player with HDR and Dolby Vision (replacing a Sony 1080p Blu Ray player)

    Amazon 4k FireTV (replacing a 1st Gen FireTV box)

    All new Monoprice Certified high-speed 18Gbps HDMI cables

    Also going with a full on bias-lighting set for the first time. Finally read up enough on it to decide it was worth the effort, since I'm going to be pulling everything down and rearranging, this is the time to do it.

    Also finally going to set up my 5.1 home theater. Currently running an older Denon 2311CI 7.2 AVR with 2 channels dedicated to an outdoor set of speakers. This isn't a 4k receiver, so for the moment I will be using ARC from the TV and connect all 4k sources direct to the TV. I'm looking at upgrading to a newer 4k Denon or Pioneer Elite, currently have a lowball bid in on a Denon AVR-X2500H. I may look at a clearance on the 3400H though, but I've spent enough lately I need to get by for a little more and save up another month or so. lol

    I got a new pair of rear speakers from Parts Express, just some mild little JBL wall-mounted Control 1 5.25" 2-way models, already have a nice Infinity center channel and a pair of Unisound towers I've been using a long time. Oh and a Klipsch (I think) 12" sub that sounds like it's knocking my house down. lol

    I've got most of it in-hand now, but waiting for the stupid TV. <sigh> Costco is delivering it for free, with 90-day free returns and pickup if I change my mind and want something else - so I guess I'll just hold my breath.

    Anyways, I'm excited, so I thought I'd share.

    #2
    Congrats... Looks like a great buy. If you're into Audio, come on take a look at http://theaudioannex.com. Great community for everything audio,video, music, and generally everything including food grilling and BBQ. If you decide to join, tell Admin, "Hawk" sent you.

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      #3
      Enjoy yer new toys, it's gonna look incredible, there!

      Here? Still quagmired in th 1080p world, at present, though I am summat of a high tech redneck!

      We'll see what happens, down th pike.

      Havin th stereo to sort it all out is where I'm set; recently hadda relocate my NEX-purchased, '88 vintage Pioneer VSX 3600, to make room fer a newer, hdmi capable, Pioneer 5.1., a VSX-820-K.

      Still, a decade or so behind current tech, but works fer me! I ain't greedy.

      (Th Ol Skool VSX 3600 could git Police to my house quicker than a call to 911; th new one blows it's socks off!)

      My LR has Bose 201's/301's. with Realistic Minimus 7's fer surround, so I ain't sufferin, too badly none, leave us say! No sub, or suitable center yet; it is a work, in progress!

      (No speakers can be seen, so my guests/company generally FTF out, when I play some music fer them...) I love it when they ask "Can ya turn that up, some?"

      Yup.

      Yup, indeed, I can.
      Last edited by Mr. Bones; July 29, 2018, 09:40 AM.

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        #4
        So are the 4K tv's supposed to be a lot better than the old plasmas? I have one of the last Panasonic plasmas, and I find it hard to imagine a better picture.

        Yeah, Mr. Bones, stereo for me too. But I listen to music more in that room than I watch TV, so it works for me. The breakthrough there was a really good used DAC to pipe music streamed from the computer. And good speakers.

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        • Omega-Man
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          Most are pretty good but black is still better on the plasma along with angel of view. However, the OLED are the best and even better than plasma. OLED have unlimited angle of view just like plasmas and excellent blacks

        • OSB
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          I dream of an LG OLED to replace my Panasonic Plasma. They keep getting cheaper and hopefully by the time the Panasonic drops dead they will be plentiful.

        • EdF
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          Thanks!

        #5
        Congrats. First, on knowing what all that means, and second on being able to execute your plan.

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          #6
          Way above my head but bet you will love that.

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            #7
            Originally posted by EdF View Post
            So are the 4K tv's supposed to be a lot better than the old plasmas? I have one of the last Panasonic plasmas, and I find it hard to imagine a better picture.

            Yeah, Mr. Bones, stereo for me too. But I listen to music more in that room than I watch TV, so it works for me. The breakthrough there was a really good used DAC to pipe music streamed from the computer. And good speakers.

            Yes, the 4k resolution is better. I know what you mean about plasma, and my old Panasonic plasma had incredible picture quality and incredible black levels. Nowadays the only way to get close to those black levels is to spend big money on OLED, but they also still have some of their own problems.

            As for the picture, well, 4k is worlds better than 1080p. It's essentially got the ability to reproduce pixels much closer together and smaller than 1080p. So, we're talking about for equivalent size sets (55", 65", etc.), about 4x the pixels. So in a regular 16:9 format (like you see on 1080p widescreen), about 8 million pixels vs about 2 million pixels. Now... if you're far enough away from the screen, you can't really tell the difference.

            But if you look at a 1080p and a 2160p (4k resolution) screen side-by-side with appropriately-rendered content - the difference is staggering. Seriously.

            But all this takes a lot more bandwidth if you're streaming, and more and more expensive equipment and media (4k Blu Ray player, 4k discs, etc.). It's a luxury, to be sure. It's the difference between a UDS and a KBQ or something, right? So, I'm not bragging, I have gone with some of the lower-end equipment in the 4k market, and I've saved up my own personal "spending money" to do so over the last few months - The Wife gives me a personal budget of walking around money she leave in my account after she pulls out what she needs to cover the bills and such. I am actually quite lucky I am able to do this now, as my recent job change cost me more than 50% of my salary - but alot of this money I saved up before my last paychecks from my old job ran out. And this is the first time in my life I've really had the willpower and drive to save up like this and not let it burn a hole in my pocket. For sure, I passed up on many "good deals" I found online for various firearms or other things I wanted. Saw a number of revolvers I turned a blind eye to, and even a couple of Tavors I wanted. But I have stuck to my "guns" for the moment. lol And I am hoping the payoff will be everything I want it to be.

            So that's why I shared - to me, this is equivalent to getting new BBQ stuff, and although I passed on getting the Blackstone 36" several times during this period, it was more because I don't really have any more patio space than anything else.

            Oh well. Looking like the TV, which is the last item in transit, should be here mid-week, I believe. Whoo hoo!!!

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            • EdF
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              Cool! Thanks for the details, tRidiot !

            • Mr. Bones
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              Sweet Deal, brother! Lookin forward to more!

            #8
            Originally posted by EdF View Post
            I have one of the last Panasonic plasmas, and I find it hard to imagine a better picture.
            Ed, if you've got one of the last Panasonic plasmas, then I must have the other 2 ... a 42" (TC42PS14) over the family room mantle for casual watching (no sound system) and a 54" (TC54PS14) downstairs over the stereo/equipment stack for loud music and serious watching.

            I remain a dyed-in-the-wool stereo fanatic (like you and Mr. Bones ) and have never felt the need to "upgrade" to surround because I'd have to give up my beloved Adcom stereo stack and B&W tower speakers:
            • GFA-555 amp (roughly 300 W/channel to my 6 ohm speakers)
            • GFP-565 preamp ("my precious")
            • GFT-555 II tuner
            • GCD-600 CD player
            • B&W 803 Series II speakers (providing the proverbial "wall of sound" when cranked up)

            On a separate note, one of my greatest fears is that one (or both) of those plasmas die. I'd have to call a half dozen friends over to lift those heavy suckers down ... and I'm not sure I've got that many left .
            Last edited by MBMorgan; August 10, 2018, 05:59 PM.

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            • EdF
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              I forgot the "flea power" tube amp in the office - which does add to the pleasure!

            • EdF
              EdF commented
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              I fully understand the weight issue with those things. You should see the brawn of the wall mount I have!

            • Mr. Bones
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              I'll help, MBMorgan jus don't put me on th Heavy End!
              Long as I'm still pumpin air, ya still got at least one friend, brother!
              Last edited by Mr. Bones; July 29, 2018, 04:13 PM.

            #9
            Congrats on the upgrades from a fellow A/V nut. I'm still in 1080p land until the Panasonic plasma craps out. My next get is a 7 channel amplifier as my 5 channel Parasound 1205A is on its last legs. Its been a rock of an amplifier for a long time. This is coming before any MCS for me right now. I'm Going to be ebaying this old school Hitachi HMA 7500MKii Preamp/ Amp combo I got at a garage sale for $75 to help raise the $$$$. Good to see a fellow A/V Freak around.

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              #10
              I just hung the 65” in a good friends house a few weeks ago. I could nerd out on a lot of what makes it so nice but I’ll just say you’re going to really enjoy looking at it for the next few years! Congrats!!

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                #11
                I used to be in to surround sound and such, but I realized I was never really able to listen to it in a room that properly supported it, nor at a volume that properly displayed it. I "downgraded" to a speaker bar/subwoofer simulated surround sound combo from Sony and have had no complaints. My old receiver was a hoss, but it frequently wigged out over switching from DTS to Dolby 5.1 and my biggest complaint was that when playing a movie, I could either listen to the dialog at a normal volume level, or the sound effects at a normal volume level. If I turned the sound up to the proper level to hear dialog, as soon as a car crashed up or a starship blew up, my ear drums were bleeding. Conversely, if I turned the sound down to the proper level so that the explosions and such didn't shatter my precious hearing membranes, I couldn't hear the dialogue at all. And this was with all the recommended settings/solutions to that particular complaint. It just didn't work with my limited space. Since moving in with the wife, my cave went from a living room sized area to a small bedroom sized area and a surround sound system is just wasted. So, I sadly sold my old 5.1 system (that was admittedly, a little long in the tooth) at a garage sale and put the 3.1 system in and it's been perfect. Great clarity and deep quality, nice simulated surround, and never chokes on different surround formats. Also, no having to juggle connections from stereo to optical, to coax to shielded digital coax. That was probably the worst part.

                I liked my plasma TV, but there were a couple minor issues that affected me personally but not the quality of the TV itself... first, they generate a LOT more heat than LCD or LED TVs and my little man cave was turning into a sauna. Also, they don't play well with game systems that have any sort of a static part of the display (think like the mini-map in a game like Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption.) I was getting screen burn and despite my efforts each time after I was done gaming to run the screen wipers, it wasn't going away. For both of those reasons, the LED TV was the answer (for me.) The plasma was still perfectly good for watching TV, and my sister-in-law still has it at her house 4 years later.

                This is making me think (nostalgically) about the movies I used to use to show off the surround system to people who've never experienced it before... gonna start a new thread for folks to discuss those.

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                  #12
                  Well, I had hoped to be calibrating my new TV this weekend.

                  Unfortunately, it appears my TV is lost. Yup... you read that right. LOST.

                  So, Cosco put in for a return and said they will have a new one shipped out to me, which should go out tomorrow, I suppose restarting my "7-10 days" delivery time. <sigh>

                  Man, this is irritating. I've got everything else - 4k media, 4k BD player, surround sound is hooked up (and sounds awesome), bias lighting setup is here... UGH. None of it is the least bit useful without the main star player. I guess I probably jinxed it.

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                  • EdF
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                    Hang in - it'll get there.

                  #13
                  tRidiot , this exact thing happened to me when I bought a TV from Costco years ago. The first delivery attempt was while I was at work (at the time I worked evenings and left around 2:00pm.) The delivery notice on my door said they'd attempt again the next day between 10am and 2pm. Great.... I'll be here. Of course, they didn't arrive by then and I had to leave for work. They left another note that said they would hold it at the UPS facility (20 miles away) and I could pick it up any time within the next 10 days. So I went in the next day before work and there was one person helping people at the service desk, with the line out the door. Another lady (presumably the supervisor) came up and said, "Is anyone here picking up a package?" and about half the line said "yes." So we went over there and a couple people got their packages and it was my turn. I gave her my slip and she disappeared into the back and I didn't see or hear from her for over 20 minutes. I had to leave to get to work on time and just asked if someone could go back and find her so I could have my slip back to give them the next day.

                  I go back the next day and there is no line and several people up front, and the person who helped me again disappeared into the back for 15 minutes or more. She then came out and said she couldn't find my package and that it wasn't on a truck today, and gave me the number for UPS security and then was pretty much done with me. Furious, I left (again, had to be at work on time) and called UPS security for that facility on my way to work. Again, interacted with a person who could not have possibly cared less about my complaint and spent the entire duration of my drive to work on the phone with her or on hold while she went to look.

                  Finally she came back and said, I've filed a claim for you. We won't finalize it until 10 days have gone by. Once those 10 days are up, if we haven't found your package, you can take the claim to Costco to ask for a refund.

                  I didn't wait 10 days, I called Costco directly that day and talked to their CSR who was very nice and helpful. When I told her the story, she said, "Oh, yeah. That UPS delivery driver has a new TV. Either that or he sold it. No question. I get these claims several times a day." Apparently, this is an epidemic within UPS, and I guess they give Costco such a price break on shipping that Costo doesn't find it financially advantageous to terminate their partnership or to insist that UPS get their crap together and take control of the problem. I gave Costco the claim number and the CSR issued me a refund that day (Still had to wait 7-10 days for the funds, but I didn't have to wait for UPS to finalize the claim THEN wait for the funds to clear.)

                  This was over 10 years ago and I still get a little irritated and flabbergasted when I think about how I was treated, and that it happens so often, that it's just part of doing business for Costco. I'm somewhat surprised, with package tracking being what it is now, that this still happens.

                  I took that money from Costco, went to the 4th of July sale at Best Buy, and got a better TV PLUS a snazzy corner TV stand for less money than the TV from Costco would have cost... so I feel like I came out ahead, but the whole ordeal was infuriating to me.

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                    #14
                    Well, my original TV was apparently never found.

                    New one shipped out, long story short, a couple of phone calls and my new TV is supposed to be delivered this afternoon.

                    W00T! Finally! Day 16 from ordering, I guess it could have been worse.


                    I agree, Costco's customer service rep was super nice and accommodating, everyone tells me I should have demanded some kind of compensation but... well, I didn't. Guess maybe they're right. A free year's membership, or a gift card or something would have been nice. I'm just too nice, I suppose. lol.

                    Which is funny, really, because I think of myself as an a-hole most of the time, but then... I get to hear what goes through my head, while everyone else only hears what comes out of my mouth.

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                    • Mr. Bones
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                      Congrats, sorry it was such a protracted ordeal, brother!
                      Lookin forward to seein/hearin more, once it gits there!

                    #15
                    Well, I've got it in and on and it looks fantastic. I can unabashadly recommend the 2018 Vizio P-series (and the higher PQ line) as spectacular "budget options". Hopefully it will remain very reliable, as has its older and smaller brother which just came down off the wall.

                    I'm very pleased with it. My only problem is trying to get the ARC setup to work with my old Denon receiver, so I've placed an order for a new Denon AVR-X3400H. Then I can pass 4k through my receiver, reduce the number of wires going up to my TV and not have to worry about ARC. Hopefully it'll be here soon.

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