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  • customtrim
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    • Dec 2016
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    • stow ohio

    Another sad farming article

    https://www.organicconsumers.org/blo...gmos-argentina
  • Mudbeaver
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    #2
    They should have learned from Vietnam

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    • Mudbeaver
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      Chemicals are no joke
  • Mudbeaver
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    #3
    Chemicals are no joke

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      #4
      I got covered in pesticides growing up while flagging crop dusters. After you spray the chemical on the rice, you spend hours that afternoon walking through the rice you just sprayed to apply the fertlizer. Mandatory bath after each application.

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      • FireMan
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        #5
        What I’ve seen on a local level around here is, that some of these mega-farms are under so much pressure to “produce”, that they abandon &/or forget how to do it the right way & use more chemicals & bigger machines to accomplish their outcome. When the out come is sub-par, the answer is more chemicals & bigger machines.

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          #6
          My great uncle died from blood cancer. The doctors said it was most likely from his years of spraying crops in a cab-less tractor. Killed him slow, but killed him none the less.

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          • BBQ_Bill
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            Dang bro...
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          #7
          That's why my small garden is now organic.

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          • customtrim
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            #8
            Growing up we were the odd ones as my dad only used manure and would make tea from it to water the plants

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            • sos2979
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              Don't mix up that tea pot with any other

            • customtrim
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              sos2979 not a problem it was a 55 gallon drum for compost tea
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            #9
            what i don't like about the article is that it makes links between GMO and pesticides (i get they are making GMO plants to combat the pesticide specifically), when GMO and organic are 2 totally different things. GMO food is completely safe. they don't make a big enough effort to separate the fact that the plants are fine, it's the pesticides they are applying to it that are the problems.

            sad none the less

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            • customtrim
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              But what are they treating the two seeds and plants with, the plant takes these chemicals as well as the round up into there system which ends up in our foods and meat from the grain the cows and pigs eat
          • customtrim
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            #10
            Do not get me wrong I am in no means a tree hugger or environmentalist of any kind, my only problem is what big business and others are doing and have done to the American farmer and see nothing wrong in what they are doing because of the almighty dollar.

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            • Willy
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              • Apr 2015
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              #11
              I suppose my post won't be popular, but here goes anyway.

              I am highly skeptical of the article and even more so of the outfit that published it. It's very name gives away its bias and the fact that it features an ad for Dr. Joseph Mercola, a well known scam artist and quack, further supports my suspicions. Mercola is a fellow who sells things to people who are afraid of "kemiculz", among other things. Read about him here:
              https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html Google him for lots more hits.

              As to the article, there are no explicit claims of fact regarding the cause of the children's sad defects--just unsupported suspicions that are cast. The title of the article is pure fear-mongering and its author(s) should be ashamed. Bluntly, the article has no basis in fact and is an attempt to spread fear and to promote the organic industry, which, despite their attempt to portray themselves as the "little guy" is really very much big business. Here's a recent real study involving glyphosate and birth defects: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4895883/

              I have been following the organic vs conventional debate closely for a decade and, over that time, I've gone from being a moderate supporter of "organic" to being a person who trusts very little coming from what I will call "Big Organic--a term coined (AFAIK) by Michael Pollan. I dropped my subscription to "Organic Gardening" when they ran an article advocating for homeopathy (if you think homeopathy is some herbal thing, it ain't) Here's a link to a Wiki page on homeopathy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy Pay special attention to the paragraph entitles "dilutions".

              In the bigger picture, it is not possible to farm on a large scale without resorting to pesticides and fertilizers. Like it or not, that's a fact. Farmers don't spend money on something unless it provides a benefit to them. I resent articles that imply farmers are too stupid to understand what they are doing and I guarantee that most every "conventional" farmer could sweep any one of us under the table in a debate.

              Making the problem even worse, we have no more land on which to farm. We already use pretty much every appropriate acre of land worldwide for farming or livestock (40% of total land area) and the world population is expected to grow from 7B to 9B in the next three-ish decades. Organic farming is much less efficient in terms of yield per acre for MOST crops, so we don't even have the land available now to switch to 100% organic practices.

              Let me close by saying I am a gardener and I practice mostly organically--because I can and because my income isn't dependent on a successful crop. Real farmers don't have that luxury. It's a modern world and it's a fantasy to think "The Little House on the Prairie" is still a possible way to feed the world.

              @Deus Dingo: Your GMO comments are spot on as far as I'm concerned.

              Recommended reading: Michael Pollan "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and "The Dose Makes the Poison" by Ottoboni and Frank.

              I wish you all well! :«)
              Last edited by Willy; July 19, 2018, 09:24 AM.

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              • customtrim
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                Absolutely nothing wrong with your post, and as far as the organic craze I think they can all go pound rock salt. And the tree huggers,vegans,and vegetarians who want to preach and push their lifestyle
                Last edited by customtrim; July 18, 2018, 05:36 PM.

              • Troutman
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                So tell us what you really think Willy

              • adamjs83
                adamjs83 commented
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                This makes perfect sense. My first thought after reading this article was that it came off as really shoddy journalism. Thank you for providing a reasoned counterpoint.
            • BlackrazorNZ
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              #12
              Originally posted by Willy View Post
              I suppose my post won't be popular, but here goes anyway.

              <snip>
              Preach brother! It's a personal bugbear of mine that people so readily conflate 'organic at home' (i.e. growing a few tomatoes and cucumbers in their backyard) with industrial organic production which uses just as many if not more pesticides and herbicides as 'normal' production, but they just use ones that allow them to 'tick the organic box'.

              It's like coffee production - organic coffee is the worst possible thing you can grow for its local environment. In nature, coffee plants grow widely spread out through the forest, but when we intensively farm them we plant them close together, which causes massive phosphorus leeching from the soil. Traditional solution? Dig in phosphorus to replace it. But that makes it non-organic, so the Organic Coffee solution? Do nothing, let the plants slowly render the soil completely unfertile and barren, then go repeat on a fresh patch of soil while selling your beans to the well-intended and unwary who just want an emotional pat on the head and told they're doing a good thing.

              Rant over. I get passionate about companies peddling ignorance in the name of profit.

              Last edited by BlackrazorNZ; July 18, 2018, 06:31 PM.

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              • BlackrazorNZ
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                #13
                Comes back to a long standing rule I have - "Never put too much stock in the advice of someone who is financially motivated for you to take it."

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