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  • Mosca
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    • Oct 2014
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    #16
    I don't want to hijack anything, but the title with the word "woman" in it was really confusing. It made more sense when it was changed to "baker".

    eta: I didn't think there was anything gender related that was offensive, and I try to be pretty aware of that stuff.

    But the OP states that it is a non-sequitur that he uses in his own life for when things go well, and the rest of us don't have that point of reference. So I see a post from Willy titled "I am woman, hear me roar", there is no way that I would think it is him posting about a successful cook... and even less that I would think it is about baking bread. Because even though it is in the "Baking..." section, I just click on "Today's Posts".

    Titles should be descriptive of content. That helps everyone navigate the forum in their own best interest. A non-descriptive title wouldn't rise to the level of needing to be changed by a moderator, but changing the title does make the post more visible to those who are interested in baking, especially those who enter topics through the "Today's Posts" feature.
    Last edited by Mosca; September 1st, 2016, 07:11 AM.

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    • Nate
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      #17
      Originally posted by Mosca View Post
      I don't want to hijack anything, but the title with the word "woman" in it was really confusing. It made more sense when it was changed to "baker".
      THANK YOU... I couldn't agree more with this! I think that titles should contain what the thread is about. IMHO it allows for and promotes better participation, quality information, etc... because people tend to look for certain things that interest them more and avoid things that don't. For example I'm more likely to click on a thread with PBC in the title than I am KBQ in the title.

      I hate article links on other sites that are "Click Bait"... headlines or articles that are designed solely for getting people to click on them and then being thoroughly disappointed with the content or find that it was totally misleading.

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      • rip1877
        rip1877 commented
        Editing a comment
        if you didn't like my post the let me know,. I put in there I take constructive criticism...
        j/k I know what you mean I am the same way.
    • David Parrish
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      #18
      Originally posted by Yno View Post
      I suggest we change the name to this site. Pit 'Master', which does have masculine connotations, could lead one to believe there could not be a Pit 'Mistress'. Can only men excel at BBQ?

      I think this change went a bit too far. That song was quite a large part of musical history, and the change causes a lot of the posts to have no meaning. I can't see how anyone could really take offense at the title.

      I have never made a real complaint about this site, and yes, I fully understand that it is privately owned and you can make whatever rules you want. That being said, I feel that leaning to far towards being PC could be a much bigger turnoff than this post could ever be.

      My opinion, for what it is worth.
      Yno if we follow your logic then every university in the US would have to change half of the Masters Degrees they've issued to Mistress Degrees. Seems kinda silly, and expensive, to me so let's stick with Pitmaster Club.

      The song may have been part of musical history, but I and the other moderators did not get the reference until we saw the comment that clarified things. In my book that makes the reference obscure therefore it should not be expected the average reader would get it.

      I 100% agree we don't want to be an overly PC forum. That's why I talked about the post with the other moderators before making the minor edit. I'll iterate again we don't moderate often and we only do it after due consideration has been given. And to Mosca's very good point the title of the thread now makes much more sense relevant to the content.

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      • Mosca
        Mosca commented
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        "I am baker, hear me roar" actually references the song in a neat little memory trick to those of us who remember it; the lyric is idiosyncratic, and changing it to "baker" makes the reference that Willy intended without us needing to know that he has said that throughout his life.
    • DeusDingo
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      #19
      i don't care what anybody says. i hate twizzlers AND red vines. you all can suck it

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      • Huskee
        Huskee commented
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        This isn't very welcoming to those of us who actually LIKE red vines. Twizzlers though, yeah, they taste like plastic. Lol.
    • gcdmd
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      • Sep 2014
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      #20
      OK, folks (male and female), hopefully, we've all had our say. So, can we please get back to what brought us here to this quality web site, an interest in cooking, particularly outdoor cooking.

      I had some posts taken down a while back because one or more members had a problem with the subject I brought up. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I accepted the moderator's decision, apologized to anyone who might have been offended, and moved on. I hope we all can do the latter on this topic, as well. This is a great group, and the moderators do a great job enforcing the rules.

      If we're going to argue, let's make it about cookers and their fuels, ingredients, recipes, and methods.

      Thank you all.

      George

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      • Willy
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        • Apr 2015
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        #21
        Wow--interesting comments--things I'd never even think about. So, I want to make a few more comments--no anger, no hostility, no "whatever I can't even imagine" intended. First, the thought about the implication that women are stereotypically better bakers never cross my mind--even AFTER the editing. I mean, the posters on this site seems heavily skewed toward the male end of the spectrum and, best I can tell, most of those those men think they are fine cooks. I doubt anyone here feels they are doing a "feminine" task. Second, my title was certainly obscure in terms of my intent (my intent, btw, was to say YAY!), but it wasn't intended as "click bait". Look at some of today's titles--"My First Can" and "Put a Cork In It"--I don't get 'em (maybe I will after I read them) but that doesn't make them wrong or bad or click bait. Finally, I would apologize, but I don't know what to apologize for. I simply made a goofy title, then I asked a very calm and civil question about the reason for the editing done to my post. I am still somewhat astounded that the editing was done, but, it was, so fine. I can move forward. I do not like the realization that, in future posts, I will have to pause and think about innocuous phrasing sometimes.

        That's it. No hard feelings on my part.
        Last edited by David Parrish; September 1st, 2016, 12:11 PM. Reason: Removed political references.

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        • Mosca
          Mosca commented
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          Just so you know, I lean toward Social Justice Warrior and I thought it was fine in that sense.
      • David Parrish
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        #22
        Originally posted by Willy View Post
        I do not like the realization that, in future posts, I will have to pause and think about innocuous phrasing sometimes.

        That's it. No hard feelings on my part.
        Let me be clear. We are not asking folks to second guess innocuous phrasing. We are asking folks to refrain from making generalizations based on gender, sex, race, and ethnicity.

        Also please know I have received private feedback that the minor edit was appreciated, so there are those that if not offended at lest felt a little put off.

        I ask again let's let the matter drop. If anyone wants to discuss further I am happy to chat via private message.

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