I have been using the cheap Weber charcoal rails on my 22" kettle with foil water pans and a Party Q for a couple of years with really great results. I'm always amused at the consternation of folks with much more expensive/fancy rigs when they taste my amazing meats. My question is, will something like the Smoke N Sear really make a substantive difference in the quality of my BBQ, or, does it just scratch a gadget itch? When I say substantive difference I'm talking about something like the quantum leap an ATC like the PartyQ provides.
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- Jul 2014
- 1910
- Leesburg, VA. (Northern, VA)
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We have two weber kettle grills (one LARGE and one small/average), the SnS and the Weber Smokey Mountain 18" smoker. We use both natural lump charcoal and KNB for smoking and measure our temps with a Maverick 733, thermopen and MK4. Favorite beer depends on what is cooking (alt answer is yes).
I think so.
I did the same thing for a long time before getting the SnS. I find the SnS has made it MUCH easier and have had a GREAT improvement in my results. And I'm REALLY not a gadget guy!
As always, YMMV, but that is my experience.
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frenchtown, For 35-40 Years I have cooked on a 22.5 Weber Kettle first with Grill Racks that hooked on the coal grill and then with the later version Weber came out with. I did not have any form of temp control like your Party Q. I acquired a New Weber Performer Deluxe on a Cart with a Propane Ignitor the first part of Sept. and I bought a New S 'n S to go with it! I am still having a little problem with the amount of charcoal to use and Vent Settings (Temp. Control), Inspite of this I think overall my Q is better! ðŸ‘ÂðŸ‘Â🦃ðŸ‘Â👠Eat Well And Prosper, Dan2 Photos
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Charter Member
- Aug 2014
- 2036
- Forest Park Il
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Weber 26
Weber Performer 22.5, Weber 18.5, WSM 18.5, Smokey Joe
2 Slow N Sears, Charcoal Rotisserie, Kettle Pizza for Weber 22.5, Vortex, Grill Grates
Smoke Thermometer, Igrill, Thermapen, Thermapop,Maverick 2 probe
I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I put it in my food.
One cannot have too many grills.
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Charter Member
- Jul 2014
- 3745
- Dallas, Texas
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Pit Barrel Cooker AKA The Chicken Whisperer, WSM 14.5 AKA Smokey, WSM 22.5 AKA Big Worm, Weber Performer Platinum. KARUBECUE
I used My weber charcoal rails for a while, then smokenator, then back to rails. Then I got the SnS.....My weber rails and smokenator went into the trash after the first SnS cook.
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Charter Member
- Jun 2015
- 1316
- S. E. Wisconsin
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Weber Platinum Performer, 18"WSM, Smokenator, Slow 'n Sear.
I've used my Slow 'N Sear once, my Smokenator probably a hundred times. My Smokenator will most likely not see its 101st use. The ease of use and level of control that the SNS provides is off the charts when compared to the Smokenator. After filling it with 3/4 of a chimney and tweaking the vents a bit I held a rock solid 225 dome temperature over the entire course of a 5 hour cook. Adding wood to the Smokenator was always a pain, I'd have to use a hatchet to cut them down so they'd fit in the openings. Not so with the SNS, just lift the grill grate and drop them in.
I also have an 18" WSM but I honestly don't see myself using it much anymore, the SNS is that good.
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- May 2014
- 18092
- Clare, Michigan area
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Smokers / Grills- Yoder loaded Wichita offset smoker
- PBC
- Grilla Silverbac pellet grill
- Slow 'N Sear Deluxe Kamado (SnSK)
- Masterbuilt Gravity 560
- Masterbuilt Digital Charcoal Cabinet
- Weber 22" Original Kettle Premium (copper)
- Weber 26" Original Kettle Premium (light blue)
- Weber Jumbo Joe Gold (18.5")
- Weber Smokey Joe Silver (14.5")
- Brinkmann cabinet charcoal smoker (repurposed)
Thermometers- SnS 500 4-probe wireless
- (3) Maverick XR-50 4-probe Wireless Thermometers
- A few straggler Maverick ET-732s
- Maverick ET-735 Bluetooth (in box)
- Smoke X4 by ThermoWorks
- Thermapen MkII, orange & purple
- ThermoPop, yellow, plus a few more in a drawer for gifts
- ThermoWorks ChefAlarm (wife's)
- Morpilot 6-probe wireless
- ThermoWorks Infrared IRK2
- ThermoWorks fridge & freezer therms as well
Accessories- Instant Pot 6qt
- Anova Bluetooth SV
- Kitchen Aide mixer & meat grinder attachment
- Kindling Cracker King (XL)
- a couple BBQ Dragons
- Weber full & half chimneys, Char-Broil Half Time chimney
- Weber grill topper
- Slow 'N Sear Original, XL, and SnS Charcoal Basket (for Jumbo Joe)
- Drip 'N Griddle Pans, 22' Easy Spin Grate, and Elevated Cooking grate, by SnSGrills
- Pittsburgh Digital Moisture Meter
Beverages- Favorite summer beers: Leinenkugels Summer & Grapefruit Shandy, Hamm's, Michelob Ultra Pure Gold
- Fav other beers: Zombie Dust (an IPA by 3 Floyd's Brewing), Austin Bros IPA, DAB, Sam Adams regular, Third Shift amber or Coors Batch 19, Stella Artois
- Fav cheap beers: Pabst, High Life, Hamm's & Stroh's
- Most favorite beer: The one in your fridge
- Wine: Red- big, bold, tannic & peppery- Petite Sirah, Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauv, Sangiovese, Syrah, etc
- Whiskey: Buffalo Trace, E.H. Taylor, Blanton's, Old Forester 1870, Elijah Craig Toasted, Basil Hayden's. Neat please.
- Scotch: Current favorite- The Arran (anything by them), Glenmorangie 12yr Lasanta, sherry cask finished. The Balvenie Double Wood, also like Oban 18yr, and The Glenlivet Nadurra (Oloroso sherry cask finished) among others. Neat please.
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There is no comparison in either charcoal rails or the Smokenator to the Slow 'N Sear, either in build quality or performance.
The Slow 'N Sear (SnS) was designed with other accessories' weak points in mind, and successfully overcomes them. And it's built like a tank, not thin mailbox steel. Once you put your hands on it and pick it up you realize it's the real deal. Easy to light, maintain and refill, and a large water reservoir that's both a thermal buffer (w/ water or empty) and large enough to perform like it should. Plus, a key advantage the SnS has over the competition is the solid charcoal basket wall- it forms an airspace barrier between the coals and the kettle's outer wall. No coals up against the kettle wall itself means less heat will bleed through the kettle wall into the environment, but instead what bleeds through the SnS's charcoal basket wall will naturally go into the kettle where it belongs.
SnS is good stuff.
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Founding Member
- Jul 2014
- 961
- West Chester, PA
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Gas Grill: NXR Tabletop/Portable Propane
Charcoal: Weber Performer Silver (i.e., 22.5")
Charcoal: Weber OTG 22.5"
Kettle Accessories: Slow 'n Sear, Smokenator and Vortex and bound to be more on the way
Smoker: GOSM Propane 38" 2-drawer
Pellet: CampChef/Browning Deluxe PGP24LTD
Thermometer: 2 Mavericks, Red backlit Thermapen
Anova Wi-Fi Sous Vide
I've never used the rails but I've seen people's comments liking them and also managing to put out good product with bricks, etc. also. I think the key though is that the SnS makes your smoking more efficient and more effortless. Put in X number of unlit coals and some chunks, then the lit coals and some water, adjust the vents appropriate during the first several minutes, and then walk away for hours. And, while the jury is still out for me on wings (vs the Vortex), everything else I've done with my SnS is way better than it was with the Vortex or the Smokenator.
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Founding Member
- Aug 2014
- 86
- Memphis, Indiana
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Great Outdoors Smoky Mountain
Great Outdoors Smoky Mountain "Big Block"
Pit Barrel Cooker 2015 Model
Weber Genesis Silver B
Weber 22.5" Kettle & Smokenator
Weber 18.5" Kettle
Weber Smokey Joe
Weber Go-Anywhere (Gas)
Oregon Scientific Grill Right Wireless Talking BBQ Thermometer
Maverick ET-733 Wireless Thermometer
Thermoworks ThermoPop
I've got all of the toys for a Weber 22" Kettle which is one of my all time favorites... I've got baskets, rails, fire bricks, a Smokenator and a Slow n Sear. In the brief time that I've had the SnS it's become my goto heat management device for my Weber. I like it... I like it a lot...
Now I consider myself to be a fairly competent pit master and I can deliver excellent Q regardless of what I'm cooking it on... HOWEVER... some tools just make it easier to do and the SnS is one of those products.
Will it make a difference in the quality of your food? I dunno... if you want to send me a brisket or something, I'll be glad to try it and let you know!
I now consider the SnS to be an important weapon in my arsenal...Last edited by Hondo; November 25, 2015, 06:57 AM.
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For some of you guys throwing away the "old tech" send something my way! I just got a Weber 22.5 kettle and am using it for my intended purposes which are use for anything that the CampChef pellet grill/smoker cannot handle. Things like steaks / searing mostly. If the pellet grill could sear it would be hands down my choice. I do have to say however that I am very intrigued by the kettle and want to expand my horizions as the wallet allows. Unfortunately, I have just found out I'm losing my job if I don't move............... that sucks. I cannot sell my GA house so I'll be paying for housing in TX and GA for a period of time. Therefore the goodies are limited. ​Don't worry for me though. God always provides.......... life and Q.
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Founding Member & Owner of SnS Grills
- May 2014
- 4905
- Charlotte, NC
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- Slow 'N Sear Kamado
- Slow 'N Sear Kettle
- Lots of grills that work with Slow 'N Sear
- LOTS of digital thermometers
- LOTS of accessories
- Favorite Beer - Fat Tire
- Favorite Bourbon - Woodford Reserve
- Favorite White Wine - Cakebread Chardonnay
- Favorite Red Wine - Yes, Please
- President/Owner - SnS Grills
Feelin for you morganjim. We might have some open box SnSs for sale soon. Would save you a few bucks and it'll pay for itself as charcoal is cheaper than pellets and a kettle will be easier to move to your new place.
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hmmmm, open box you say. You know I'm down for 1 or 4 of those : )
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Guest there's only 3 open box SnSs available so you'll have to settle for 1 to 3Might be a few days before we make them available but we'll notify The Pit first so you guys have first dibs.
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David Parrish My F5 button is going to get worn out!
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