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Surely you know somebody who loves outdoor cooking who deserves a gift for the holidays, birthday, anniversary, or just for being wonderful. There he is, right in the mirror! Here are our selections of best ideas, all Platinum or Gold Medalists, listed by price.

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Digital Thermometers Are Your Most Valuable Tool And Here's A Great Buy!

maverick PT55 thermometer

A good digital thermometer keeps you from serving dry overcooked food or dangerously undercooked food. They are much faster and much more accurate than dial thermometers. YOU NEED ONE!

Click here for more info on the Maverick PT-55 Waterproof Instant-Read Thermometer Review shown above. It may be the best value in a thermometer out there

If you have a Weber Kettle, you need the Slow 'N' Sear

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The Slow 'N' Sear turns your grill into a first class smoker and also creates an extremely hot sear zone you can use to create steakhouse steaks.

Click here for our article on this breakthrough tool

Bring The Heat With Broil King Signet's Dual Tube Burners

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The Broil King Signet 320 is a modestly priced, 3-burner gas grill that packs a lot of value and power under the hood. Broil King's proprietary, dual-tube burners get hot fast and are able to achieve high, searing temps that rival most comparatively priced gas grills. The quality cast aluminum housing carries a Limited Lifetime Warranty.

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The Good-One Is A Superb Grill And A Superb Smoker All In One

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The Good-One Open Range is a charcoal grill with an offset smoke chamber attached. It is dramatically different from a traditional offset smoker. The grill sits low in front and doubles as a firebox for the smoke chamber which is spliced on above and behind so it can work like a horizontal offset smoker only better. By placing the heat source behind and under the smokebox instead of off to the side, Open Range produces even temperature from left to right, something almost impossible to achieve with a standard barrel shaped offset.

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Pit Barrel Cooker Smoker

Griddle And Deep Fryer All In One

The flat top does the burgers and the fryer does the fries. Use the griddle for bacon, eggs, and home fries. Or pancakes, fajitas, grilled cheese, you name it. Why stink up the house deep frying and spatter all over? Do your fried chicken and calamari outside. Blackstone's Rangetop Combo With Deep Fryer does it all. Plus it has a built in cutting board, garbage bag holder, and paper towel holder. An additional work table on the left side provides plenty of counter space.

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Pit Barrel Cooker Smoker

The Pit Barrel Cooker May Be Too Easy

The PBC has a rabid cult following for good reason. It is absolutely positively without a doubt the best bargain on a smoker in the world. Period. This baby will cook circles around the cheap offset sideways barrel smokers in the hardware stores because temperature control is so much easier. Best of all, it is only 9 delivered to your door!

Click here to read our detailed review and the raves from people who own them

The Swiss Army Knife Of Thermometers


The smart folks at ThermoWorks have finally done it: The Swiss Army Knife of thermometers, two in one. Start with the industry standard food thermometer, the Thermapen MK4, (Platinum Medal winner) truly instant (2 to 3 seconds) precise (+ or – 0.7°F). Then they built in an infrared thermometer ideal for measuring the temps of pizza stones, griddles, and frying pans (also great for finding leaks around doors and windows in your house).

Click here to read our test results and comprehensive review and why it won our Platinum Medal.

Compact Powerful Sear Machine For Your Next Tailgater


Char-Broil's Grill2Go x200 is a super-portable, fun little sizzler made of heavy, rust-proof cast aluminum. The lid snaps shut. Grab the handle and you're off to the party! Char-Broil's TRU-Infrared design produces searing heat while reducing fuel consumption. A 16 ounce LP gas canister is enough to keep you flipping burgers for hours.

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The Cool Kettle With The Hinged Hood We Always Wanted

NK-22-Ck Grill

Their NK22CK-C Charcoal Kettle Grill puts a few spins on the familiar kettle design. In fact, the hinged lid with a handle on the front, spins in a rotary motion 180 degrees. It's hard to beat a Weber kettle, but Napoleon holds its own and adds some unique features to make the NK22CK-C a viable alternative.

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G&F Suede Welder's Gloves

Heat Resistant Gloves With Extra Long Sleeves Hold The Hot Stuff

If you're using oven mitts at the grill, it's time to trade up. Say hello to these suede welder's gloves. They're heat resistant enough to handle hot grill grates, and flexible enough to handle tongs. The extra long sleeves even let you reach deep into the firebox to move hot logs without getting burned. Our Fave.

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GrillGrates Take Gas Grills To The Infrared Zone

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GrillGrates(TM) amplify heat, prevent flareups, make flipping foods easier, keep small foods from committing suicide, kill hotspots, are easier to clean, flip over to make a fine griddle, and can be easily removed and moved from one grill to another. You can even throw wood chips, pellets, or sawdust between the rails and deliver a quick burst of smoke to whatever is above. Every gas grill needs them.

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kareubequ bbq smoker

Our Favorite Backyard Smoker

The amazing Karubecue is the most innovative smoker in the world. The quality of meat from this machine is astonishing. At its crux is a patented firebox that burns logs above the cooking chamber and sucks heat and extremely clean blue smoke into the thermostat controlled oven. It is our favorite smoker, period.

Click here for our review of this superb smoker

Masterbuilt MPS 340/G ThermoTemp XL Propane Smoker

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The First Propane Smoker With A Thermostat Makes This Baby Foolproof

Set ThermoTemp's dial from 175° to 350°F and the thermostat inside will adjust the burner just like an indoor kitchen oven. All you need to do is add wood to the tray above the burner to start smokin'.

Click here to read our detailed review

Professional Steakhouse Knife Set

masterbuilt gas smoker

Our founder, Meathead, wanted the same steak knives used by steakhouses such as Peter Luger, Smith & Wollensky, Morton's, Kobe Club, Palm, and many others. So he located the manufacturer and had them stamp our name on some. They boast pointed, temper-ground, serrated, high-carbon stainless-steel, half-tang blades with excellent cutting edge ability. The beefy hardwood handle provides a comfortable grip secured by three hefty rivets. He has machine washed his more than 100 times. They have never rusted and they stay shiny without polishing. Please note that we do not make, sell, or distribute these knives, they just engrave them with our name.

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PK 360 grill

Is This Superb Charcoal Grill A Kamado Killer?

The PK-360, with 360 square inches of cooking space, this rust free, cast aluminum charcoal grill is durable and easy to use. Four-way venting means it's easy to set up for two zone cooking with more control than single vent Kamado grills. It is much easier to set up for 2-zone cooking than any round kamado. Beautifully designed and completely portable. Meathead says it is his preferrred grill.

Click here to read our detailed review of the PK 360

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Fireboard: The Ultimate Top Of The Line BBQ Thermometer

fireboard bbq thermometer

With the ability to monitor up to six temperatures simultaneously with either Bluetooth or Wifi on your mobile phone, tablet, or computer, Fireboard is the best digital thermometer we’ve tested.

Click here to read our detailed review

Finally, A Great Portable Pellet Smoker

Green Mountain Davey Crockett Grill

Green Mountain's portable Davy Crockett Pellet Smoker is one mean tailgating and picnic machine. But it's also gaining popularity with people who want to add a small, set it and forget it pellet smoker to their backyard arsenal. And with their WiFi capabilities you can control and monitor Davy Crocket from your smart phone or laptop.

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Weber Summit Charcoal or Weber Performer Deluxe (w Slow n Sear) AND WSMS??

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    Weber Summit Charcoal or Weber Performer Deluxe (w Slow n Sear) AND WSMS??

    Hi Everyone,

    I am looking for some help deciding what to get to upgrade my "tools". I am a newbie and been cooking on a Weber classic 18" kettle. Have experimented a lot to get a successful low and slow at 225 (silicone on the lid, variations of techniques, have a slow n sear, etc ...) Well its gone ok and I know there is a learning curve with everything, the kettle is getting dated and its time to update

    As many of these decisions are ... it depends ... here is some stuff about my needs:

    -cook for my wife and I only, sometimes another couple or 2 so capacity is not a huge concern
    -not really wanting to get into ceramic kamado because my driveway is gravel and don't have a nice flat cooking area (yes I know another opportunity for a project) so rolling the beast around and fearing it tipping over is not something I want
    - I am a newbie so want flexibility with what I can cook as the biggest driver for this decision. I ultimately want to try every recipe on this site
    - I have a decent budget to work with so my options below I can afford, but saving a few bucks for other toys is always an advantage
    - I live in the Pacific Northwest and want to cook year round, it doesn't get below 0 too much so I would say if its in the 20 degree F area worst case that would be a good low outside temp to still be able to do a cook
    - I cook with digital temperature probes and fast read thermometers of course

    OPTION 1: The Weber Summit Charcoal
    It seems this grill can do everything ... no one seems to be writing about modifications so to me this is good out of the box. I am reading there is a learning curve but that's fine. Without the table this is priced about $1500 without cover and maybe some other gadgets I need.

    OPTION 2: Weber Performer Deluxe (with slow n sear) AND a Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Smoker
    These 2 options together seem like they can do it all also. Reviews are great but seems there are some mods required to really get a good low and slow (lid gaskets and such ...) Combined Price for these about $750. So thats a big price difference between these 2 options

    So the big question: Does the Weber Summit Charcoal have more cooking flexibility than the combo Performer and WSMS? Which way would you go given the price difference?

    One other question: Is the Weber Summit Charcoal more preferred for cooking in cold temperatures like 20 degrees F?

    Sorry for multiple questions in a single post, appreciate all your feedback in advance!


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    Weber 26” with SNS


    • Top | #3
      I'm prejudiced, but I think you can't go wrong with a Weber Summit Charcoal Grill. It has a 24" grate, not all that much smaller than a 26" kettle plus you can use the whole grate if you cook in Kamado mode and a portion of the grate with less charcoal if you cook with the SnS/DnG. Adrenaline BBQ no longer makes the SnS for the WSCG, but perhaps you can speak with Dave about an option, (like getting his charcoal basket and using a water pan, maybe, or using the snake method for your charcoal in kettle mode. You could also try to find a WSCG-compatible SnS second-handed.

      If you need convincing about the WSCG, watch this video:


      Also, with its double-walled design, it holds the heat rock steady, even in winter, albeit the winters where I live are relatively mild--plenty of days in the 20s and 30s.



      • Troutman
        Troutman commented
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        My response to that is an old Leftie Frizzell song;

        If you've got the money, I've got the time
        We'll go honky tonkin' and we'll have a time
        We'll make all the night spots, dance, drink beer and wine
        If you've got the money, honey, I've got the time…

      • fzxdoc
        fzxdoc commented
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        Troutman, nice themesong for my Mr. Fancypants, aka WSCGC. It's worth every penny.


    • Top | #4
      I dont think you go wrong with either decision. an immediate benefit to the performer/WSM combo is you have two cookers to keep different cooks going at once at different temps.

      But the WSCG is a beast.

      Your comment on cold cooking is a feather in the cap for the summit. the insulation layer makes winter temp control quite easy.


      • Top | #5
        WSCG then get a Pit Barrel Cooker


        • Top | #6
          I have an 18" wsm and a 22" master touch/sns, and while I have some serious mcs issues, I am able to cook anything with that combo.


          • Top | #7
            I’m prejudiced as well, because I want my next grill to be a Weber Summit Charcoal Grill. I have a 26 with SnS, but I REALLY want a Summit.
            On the one side, you would have to learn 2 cookers. On the other, you only have to learn one.


            • Top | #8
              Both options are solid choices. I’m biased, the WSCGC has been wonderful to cook on. It does it all really well, granted it doesn’t get terribly cold here in the south, but it does well in colder temps. The analogy a salesman gave me was coffee in a yeti cup vs a ceramic mug, the yeti holds heat better. Thus the yeti insulating benefits. Good luck


              • Top | #9
                If you have the cash, I think the WSCG is great. And... several here have found it brand new on eBay for under $1000 for the model without a table, and I found one for $1599 with the table on there just now.

                That said, I personally like the idea of two cookers. There are times you might want to smoke something that takes hours or all day, and also grill something else. I find myself doing that a lot.

                My very favorite cooker right now is my Weber Performer Deluxe, which I have outfitted with a Slow 'N Sear, Easy Spin grate, and Drip 'N Griddle. I also have a full set of Grillgrates. The Grillgrates allow me to cook things like burgers and chicken without worrying about a 2 zone setup, when I need more capacity. I cannot stress how great the table is for food prep and having a place to put your pans and spatulas while cooking. The propane ignition to light your charcoal is a great convenience, as is the charcoal storage bin. I live in Alabama where its hot and humid a LOT, and have never had any issues with wet or damp charcoal. I also have a PartyQ for when I want automated temperature control, and a Hovergrill to expand capacity with a second cooking level.

                Personally, if it were me, I would go for a Performer, pimp it out with all the goodies - and get a 22" WSM for those times you want to smoke big hunks of meat that won't fit on the Performer with the SNS. You can get ALL the toys, and still come in less than even a discounted Summit charcoal grill..... and I think you will find there are times you want two cookers - a grill AND a smoker - if you continue long in this hobby.


                • Top | #10
                  All, thanks so much for all of your advise and knowledge so far, thought this was all leaning towards the WSCG until jfmorris post, that got me back to rethinking the 2 cooker option and all the accessories .... still undecided at this point, and happy to know ebay is a place to watch for good deals. Again thanks so far for everyone's feedback, really appreciate all of you!


                  • Top | #11
                    I use a Weber 26” kettle with a SnS and a PBC. This is an awesome combination IMO and it saves you some money so you can buy more protein. I think everyone has to have more than one cooker...ha


                    • beeger
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                      I have the same setup & have no complaints. All the versatility I would ever want.

                  • Top | #12
                    Had a 22" Weber Original Premium with SNS and really liked it. I came across a Weber Summit Charcoal Grill at a closeout price of $749. After much encouragement from users on this site, (let me tell you the pressure was intense!) I went for the WSCG. No regrets. It is my go to smoker/griller and I prefer it over the 22" Weber/SNS, PBC, or the Summit Gasser which I also own. Didn't see that coming.

                    You might also take a look at the Adrenaline Barbecue Slow "N Sear Deluxe Kamado. They have it on sale for $1,274 (includes shipping) which puts it at a price point below the WSCG.
                    Last edited by bep35; August 14th, 2019, 08:50 PM.


                    • eschmid2
                      eschmid2 commented
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                      Hi there, thanks for the feedback ! Do you mind me asking where and how did you find the Summit at a close out price like that? Thanks, Eric

                    • bep35
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                      It had sat in a local hardware store for over two years. I kept my eyes on it but was never willing to make a move at list price. One day it had a clearance tag on it and the price was $799. I talked them down to $749. I think the local folks didn't see the value in a grill that was three times the price of the other Weber's that were sitting beside it. They just didn't know it was a great deal.

                  • Top | #13
                    I don't have advice for you, but I'm excited for your new cooker/cookers. Enjoy!


                    • Top | #14
                      A Performer Deluxe owner and a 18" WSM owner here. The only add-on I have is a Thermoworks Signals with the fan, and the GrillGrates.

                      The Signals is the best money you can spend, takes all the guess work out of the WSM. You definitely want that day 1. There are other very good options out there for controllers, I personally like the display on the Signals. I think you get more information without having to look at an app or push buttons to cycle through things if you're right there. With the fan controller it literally becomes a pellet popper but with better smoke.

                      Here in the summer I'm able to run the WSM overnight for 12 hours at 225 and still have briquettes going in the morning. Extremely versatile. The Pit Barrel is nice, but you can get a rib hanger for the WSM and hang stuff if you want. Personally I don't see the advantage of hanging meat and the risk of it falling off. Never have to worry about that with the WSM, and you can take the water bowl out to accomplish the same "style" of open cooking. Can you tell I love the WSM?

                      I'm using the GrillGrates less and less. They are nice to have, but not something you need on day one. I say keep your eyes open when they have a scratch and dent sale, then jump on them.

                      I want the WSCG, but the combo you mentioned is a much better setup. You get considerably more space to cook on, and you can have multiple things going at once. Some day I will get a WSCG, but I think if anything I would sell the WPD before the WSM.

                      The only thing I would recommend different would be to get the 22" WSM. It comes in handy for things like jerky. The 18 is nice but I found a little bigger is better.

                      The other thing I would recommend, become friends with your local Weber dealer. Where I live we have a family owned store and they do a great job of competing against the big box stores if you know what I mean.


                      • eschmid2
                        eschmid2 commented
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                        Razor, good points and thanks very much for the suggestions!

                      • jfmorris
                        jfmorris commented
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                        I also think the WSM 22 is the way to go - it has the capacity for smoking ribs without cutting them in half, or rolling into a circle.

                      • TripleB
                        TripleB commented
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                        Yes, I agree with the 22" WSM. Add the gateway rib rack and diffuser plate and now you also have a PBC.

                    • Top | #15
                      I have been using the performer since 2008 and the WSM 22 1/2" since 2010. I recently added the SNS.
                      I use the WSM for big cooks for my American Legion Post and large family gatherings. The Performer
                      with the SNS is perfect for the purposes you require. I used it last night for a tri tip. Perfect and I love
                      the easy clean-up. Good luck.....