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  • ComfortablyNumb
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    grantgallagher I had to re-read for the Rosen reference. Clicked on the rebuttal link, just as informative. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ythsrevisited/

  • Willy
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    That SA article is killer. I'll get to the other one tomorrow. Beddy bye time.

  • grantgallagher
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    Liked the scientifc american article. I knew joe rosen from my time at rutgers before he retired. It is sad that organic, like pretty much anything that has an ever evolving regulated definition, is such crap. Short of buying local and knowing your growers, there really isnt much you can do.
    Last edited by grantgallagher; March 22, 2019, 09:18 PM.

  • ComfortablyNumb
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    More links:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...l-agriculture/

    https://risk-monger.com/2016/04/13/t...ganic-farming/

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  • ComfortablyNumb
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    Murdy Bananas, eh? Organic banana producers use Rotenone, currently banned in the States. Highly toxic to fish and connected to Parkinson's Disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotenone

  • grantgallagher
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    Willy the media does an absolutely terrible job of covering this topic. People writing up blogs for clicks. The potato example i gave was one that drove me nuts. The title of the post specifically called out potatos yet when you read the study they actually attributed it to french fries. Whether thats true or not its how stuff gets twisted by clicks.

  • Willy
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    Murdy I'm really not trying to be contrarian or argumentative here, so please don't read my posts that way. After I retired ten years ago, I became seriously interested in home gardening and joined a Master Gardener program. The MG program is associated with university County Extension Offices which are in every state (and likely almost every county) in the US. They are science-based organizations and work in conjunction with paid Extension Office employees and degreed university instructors. They exist to help local commercial growers and the public at large deal with ag issues--disease, poor yields, soil analysis, pests, and whatever. BTW, getting into the MG program involves only a forty hour class (followed by a test), so take the word "master" with a grain of salt. My view is it's a way to blow smoke up the skirts of unpaid volunteers. :«) Nonetheless, most MGs are serious and continue to educate themselves regularly, mostly through further study on their own.

    I began as an advocate of "organic", not rabid, but solidly pro. It just makes sense right--no "poisons" and going back to the way Mom Nature "intended" can't be wrong? Well, yes it can in some ways. Elsewhere herein I've posted about organic practices being unable to use land efficiently with respect to yields per unit of land as compared to conventional agriculture. We really have no more land to farm or raise livestock on without cultivating land that is currently wild. Also, organic ag does use pesticides, approved as "organic" because they are "natural" and some of which are quite toxic to wildlife and, in some cases, humans--copper fungicides and rotenone are two examples. I read a lot and attended agriculture conferences every year since becoming a MG. The more I learned, the more disillusioned I became with "organic". Michael Pollan's book "The Omnivore's Dilemma" was a real eye opener as regards "Big Organic" (not necessarily your farmers market organic grower, although ComfortablyNumb posted some revealing information about dishonest practices at farmers markets earlier in this thread). I think the final straw for me was when "Organic Gardening Magazine" (now called Rodale's Organic Life and now owned by Penguin Random House) came out advocating for homeopathic "medicine". Homeopathy is often perceived by most folks as some form of herbalism, which is often harmful in itself, but it isn't herbalism at all. Homeopathy is simply magic water, magic water that literally doesn't even have a single molecule of an "active" ingredient left because of successive dilutions, coupled with "succussing" between each dilution. The founder of homeopathy believed that the weaker the solution, the more potent it was, because the water "remembered" the potency. One active ingredient in a popular homeopathic "medicine" is duck liver (!!!). Succussing is slamming a container of the solution against a board. You can read about homeopathy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy and you can ponder the fact that most "health food stores" carry a wide ranges of homeopathic products. Our local store even has an employee who is a registered nurse to assist one in finding the proper remedy for you.

    I am now an active skeptic of organic as it is marketed. It was a long road for me, for, as you commented, who can argue against wanting to reduce consumption of "poisons". Well, as I noted yesterday, almost everything is a poison in some sense and at some dose. Overcoming our innate, intuitive, LAYMAN'S understandings of technical topics takes study and self-questioning. After all, do Einstein's ideas on time not being constant make intuitive sense to anyone?

    Anyway, rant over. As for your comment about needing "stricter oversight", I'd ask what it is that makes you think current oversight is lax and in what areas?
    Last edited by Willy; March 24, 2019, 01:12 PM.

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  • Huskee
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    Ain't that the troof! Despite some good intentions from individuals or large groups, and lots of bad ones, it is not improving big picture-wise. We need to make the smartest decisions we can with the knowledge we have, and share the good knowledge we have with those who'll listen.

  • FireMan
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    That’s called outlook. 👍 🕶

  • CaptainMike
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    Not likely, nor likely to. It's still a (mostly) fun ride though.

  • FireMan
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    A question to be asked, to which does it matter? Some one mentioned Asians using MSG for decades ............and with what results. It all comes to man trying to take care of things, whether it be healthwise, politics, science (which with time can be questionable), money or power or all of the above. The quest for what......... History shows a poor track record, is it improving?

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  • Huskee
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    Same! I am a skeptic and my wife believes most of what she sees on labels. We are often at odds with this sort of thing. I feel like most things are put on labels by someone with a financial interest or another agenda, she believes everyone is good and trying to help us and labels tell the whole truth.

  • Meathead
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    I love the way you have dug into this. I have made significant revisions to the original post in the book manuscript and after doing some more digging I will post the revised version. Crowd sourcing!

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  • Meathead
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    Sorry I did not respond sooner. I have been reading member comments and revising the manuscript which I will publish shortly. I think I have addressed your issues therein.

  • Meathead
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    Good gracious. I knew she was a quack but this is so over the top it sounds like it was written by the Onion.

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