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This happened once to me when I first placed a pork butt on the rebar, I put gloves on removed rebar, reached down and removed the meat from the coals. Brushed it off, rehooked it and finished cooking that sucker. Came out great, though a few bites had a bit of a charcoal flavor!
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I had a slab of KC ribs fall apart and down into the coals. We ate it. I got lucky actually, it must have just fallen because the carmelization was really good. (Is carmelization a word?) The other lucky part was it fell over the coal basket handle so it never really got into the ashes, at least not so much that the sauce couldn't absorb it.
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I am in the middle of a rib cook on the PBC. I used fzxdoc startup procedure minus step 12 (I think, with the lid on and bars out). After the meat was hung, and lid on, it peaked at 400F and after an hour settled in at 230-240F for the duration. That makes me happy, but presents a question.
I want to cook a turkey, or maybe a couple of whole chickens for Christmas. How am I supposed to maintain 325+ for crispy skin? Do I open the intake a bit more? The PBC is still very new to me. Advice is appreciated!
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I was blessed with the gift of a PBC for Christmas from my SO! First cook: two racks of St. Louis style ribs.
Note on prep: the rack was left long, and almost touched the charcoal (about 2†from touching when added raw). Dry brined 1/2 tsp/lb. kosher salt (6.5lb. total weight with bones in for the two racks), rested in fridge for five hours, rubbed with Memphis Dust (no base binder needed), hooked using 1+1 hooking method on each rack. One rack was hung upside down in the PBC from the other, just to see if one way was better than the other… no difference in the outcome. Each was pretty burned up to the first bone...
I used fzxdoc's 15-10-10 three-stage lighting method, using Kingsford Blue, and added three chunks of apple wood at the beginning of stage 3 (small fist sized). Ambient air temp was about 30ºF, wind was blowing at 12-15mph when starting at about 2:15PM.
Temp at end of third stage above was around 400ºF when ribs were hung, lid closed, both rebars in place. It took about 60 minutes for the temp to go below 320ºF; at that point, I wrapped foil around the ends of one rebar to block air at the barrel gap. Temps then dropped to and sat at 280ºF for about an hour.
After about 4:30PM, temps started to drop, losing 5º every 5-7 minutes. Ambient air temps dropped, as well, and a light snow started to fall, hitting the lid for about 30 minutes, which all may have contributed to the temp drop. I pulled the foil off, and that raised the temps back up to 265ºF, but they continued to dip into the 250ºF range the rest of the cook. Cracking the lid just under a 1/4†for 5 minutes or so helped raise it back to 265ºF for 10-15 minutes. This was the yoyo effect I was hoping to never have to deal with again (after smoking on a Weber 22†kettle all summer and having to fiddle with the air vent constantly to keep 230ºF for 6+ hours).
I finally had to pull one rebar to get it back up to 280ºF, as the ribs weren’t passing the bend test. By 7:00PM I got tired of it and tested for doneness with my Thermapen, 190ºF+ everywhere I checked. Took the ribs out, slathered them with Weber sauce (Sweet and Bold? Something like that… no high-fructose corn syrup in it, I like it, spicy), back into 280ºF for 15 minutes to caramelize.
So my first round of cooking ribs on the PBC was not a satisfying one, though my family loved them. They ended up really tough on the outside, too much "bite" on the bone. I know the rib meat itself was OK, because I used one (of the three total I purchased at Costco) on my Weber kettle a few months ago and they were absolutely succulent. I think the main problem on this cook was that the initial spiked temp never really settled to under 300ºF quickly enough to keep the outsides from cooking too quickly.
Today, I'm going to try something which actually needs that higher temp, a 6# whole chicken. I plan on NOT dry-brining, and just using the included packet of AP rub (aww, no shakers included!). I plan on hanging the bird, and I did just receive my H-bar hanger today, so I may just use that... or is it really only for turkeys/large birds?
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abandonedbrain Wow what a great Christmas gift! Plus it's wonderful that you put it to use right away. Those ribs look great. Too bad they didn't have the "tooth" you were looking for. I agree, the high temps for so long did you no favors, but hanging ribs so close to the fire usually results in a sacrificial lower rib or two. I usually cut long rib pieces in half and double serial hook them for extra insurance.
About the high temperatures that did not settle down, a little wood in the PBC goes a long way. It adds to the heat output more than you might think. For that reason, the PBC folks recommend no wood be added. That said, I like the subtle flavor that wood adds on top of the charcoal/volatile fumes flavors that are part of the PBC design. I usually add no more than a 4 ounce chunk of wood for a relatively short cook, and about 6 oz of wood for a longer cook.
Also, if the lid is not seated tight, the temperatures will stay pretty high. Some PBC lids fit nice and tight, and occasionally some do not. If you can see small wisps of smoke coming out from under the lid's rim, bang it down with a rubber mallet (I use the rubber sole of my deck shoe). After a few cooks, most leaky lids will seal up nicely.
If the temp of your barrel still runs too high for too long (it should settle down to 270-290 or so within the first 20 -30 minutes after adding the meat) try backing down the lighting procedure to something like 15-6-6--whatever works best for your barrel.
About the chicken, if you hang the rebar diagonally and leave the second rebar out, your temps should stay at 350 or so for the entire cook. FWIW, here's my method of smoking chicken on the PBC:
https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/fo...668#post186668
I like to split my chickens in half like Noah shows in his PBC video, but I know several folks who use the turkey hanger too, or who hook and hang the chicken whole.
The AP rub is delicious on chicken. Enjoy your cook, and let us know how it turns out.
Kathryn
Last edited by fzxdoc; December 31, 2016, 04:08 PM.
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Excellent, thanks for the tips! I've had the chicken in for about 1:35 (h:mm), like Noah's vid, it's at 162 (PBC's solid at 295). Pulled the chx, 165-ish all over, beautiful smell, resting now!
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Superb. PBC really is the "Chicken Whisperer"! It was good to use the Kingsford Comp. tonight, ambients at around 30-32ºF in MI. Chx were done so fast, didn't have time to work on crisping the skin. Will dry-brine and leave open in fridge next time.
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Welcome to the ever growing army of enthusiastic PBC users. Once you get through a relatively minor learning curve you will love it and more importantly your tasters will give you glowing praise.
Hopefully you have a remote thermometer to be able to keep track of things from afar.
I think all of us have thought we seated the lid properly at some point only to discover later that we did not. Now after setting the lid I will wiggle it before walking away and even then I am occasionally fooled.
I tend to use the turkey hanger for chicken legs down as I am basically lazy and like to see those picture perfect birds in their natural form.
A important thing to produce crispy skin on poultry, aside from a higher temp, is to leave the poultry uncovered in the fridge at least overnight as it will help dry out the skin. In this case I apply the rub and salt before putting in the fridge.
There are a variety of lighting methods that work really well and each of us has our preferred method. I just do as Noah does and give a really liberal amount of lighter fluid douse, light, stand back, and watch the flames dance above the top of the barrel for a short period of time.
I do bow to fzxdoc as she is the queen of PBC with all she had to say as well as the AP rub being super nice on poultry. I just recieved a large bag of AP rub this week as I definitely do not want to be caught short handed.
Hope this helps.
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Cooked my first turkey Sunday, which turned out well. Reason for the post is a question, about 3/4 way through, my temps were down and I realized a good portion of my coals were done. After adding coals the cook finished just fine. Is it possible to overdo the lighting of the coals? I did 20 minutes in the chimney and another 15-ish minutes in the barrel before adding the bird. Thanks for replies.
Sorry, didn't mean 20 & 15 coals, 20 & 15 minutes to get coals ready for the turkey.Last edited by PBCJim; January 4, 2017, 12:34 PM. Reason: apologies to lschweig for creating confusion.
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For shorter normal (non poultry) cooks I use around 1/2 of the coal basket with the coal piled on one side and for poultry cooks (due to higher temps needed 325+) I will add to that. Never have counted the exact number of briquettes and just eyeball it.
Yes, it is possible to "over" light the chimney.
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Pit Barrel Cooker (which rocks), named Pretty Baby
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Weber Kettle Premium 22" named Kettle Kid, eager to horn in with more cooks in the future
Camp Chef Somerset IV 4-burner outdoor gas range named AfterBurner due to its 30kBTU burners
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Grill Grates: six 19.25 panels for exact fit for Summit S650
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BBQ Dragon and Dragon Chimney
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Gokujo Boning and Fillet Knife
3 1/2 inch Paring Knife
PBCJim , I always cook poultry with a full basket because I want to heat to stay up there where it's supposed to. (When I load the PBC up with 3 chickens and 2 racks of sausages, I overfill the basket.) I use a regular full basket for turkey.
Poultry can drip a lot into the fire, and that may affect the burn, especially if the basket is only partially full. Sometimes I've had to reposition the bird because the coals in part of the basket are spent while there are still plenty of hot coals in another part of the basket. That has only happened a couple of times for me, though.
As far as the chimney goes, just let the 40 coals in it burn until the topmost coals begin to ash over. That way it's perfect for igniting the basket of coals. In some chimneys (the compact Weber, for example) it can take 20 minutes or more for that to happen. In larger or wider chimneys, it can take fewer than 15 minutes to reach the same point. So just let it burn until the topmost coals begin to ash over, whatever time that takes for your setup.
You want to let the coals burn in the basket (after pouring out the chimney) for a while like you did to get the fire going really well before adding the cold bird(s). That will keep the temps up nicely. If you have a full basket, it shouldn't burn out.
Also for a single turkey, use one rebar, placed diagonally, and leave the other two holes open to keep the temps up. You probably did that, but just in case, you didn't, you may want to give that a try.
Good to hear that your turkey turned out well. Congrats!
Kathryn
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Thanks Kathryn! I used a reasonably full basket of coals, Maybe this was as much a fluke since you said its only happened to you a couple of times. I used the PBC turkey hanger so used both rebars also limits re-positioning the bird but an excellent suggestion.
My original issue was that almost half the coals were spent about 3 1/2 hours into the cook so I presumed I overdid the lighting of the coals. Next time I'll start with a very full basket and I'll back off just a little on the time in the chimney and in the barrel prior to adding food and see if I get better results next time.
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My toys:
Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center (WSCGC) aka Mr. Fancypants
Pit Barrel Cooker (which rocks), named Pretty Baby
Weber Summit S650 Gas Grill, named Hot 'n Fast (used mostly for searing and griddling)
Weber Kettle Premium 22" named Kettle Kid, eager to horn in with more cooks in the future
Camp Chef Somerset IV 4-burner outdoor gas range named AfterBurner due to its 30kBTU burners
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SnS Deluxe for 22" Kettle
Elevated SS Rack for WSCGC
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Grill Grates: six 19.25 panels for exact fit for Summit S650
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Steelmade Griddle for Summit gas grill
Fireboard Gear:Extreme BBQ Thermometer PackagePit Viper Fan (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
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18" drip pan for WSCGC
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Two Joule Sous Vide devices
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6" Chef's Knife
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3 1/2 inch Paring Knife
Good ideas. I always try to change just one thing at a time when I'm tweaking my PBC's performance for a certain type of cook.
For poultry, you want a hot fire, so I wouldn't encourage backing off on the time in the barrel prior to adding the food. I usually go 15 minutes in the chimney (short, wide chimney), then 10 minutes with the lid off and rebars out after I've poured the coals into the basket, then 10 minutes more with the lid on and the rebars out. I add my wood (about 4 ounces), if I'm using it in this last 10 minute period. That way I have a well-lit fire that holds its temperature pretty solidly throughout the cook.
I'm surprised that your cook took over 3 1/2 hours, unless you had a huge bird and a lower pit temperature. If you keep the temperature up at 325 or more, a whole 12-15 lb turkey will smoke to 160 degrees in 2-3 hours or so. Take a look at the "Whole Turkey, Not Spatchcocked" section of this post:
However, cooking at lower temperatures can certainly result in longer cook times.
What was your PBC temperature during that turkey cook?
Kathryn
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Kathryn - I did not use my thermo on that cook until the end to check bird temp. But certain the temp was fairly low given the state of the coals. I cooked 3 racks of baby back ribs yesterday and did a fairly normal 20 minutes in the chimney and 10 minutes in the barrel before adding the ribs. About an hour in, things were slowing down, first clue was no smoke from the rebar holes. I spun my top vent to crack it very slightly and that was perfect. Smoked nicely from the rebar holes, coals appeared hot throughout the rest of the cook. Ribs were awesome. About 3.5 hours total cook time.
I'm wondering why an hour into these cooks I'm having trouble but will try cracking the vent very slightly next time from the beginning and see if it maintains a more stable temp through that time about an hour in.
Appreciate the support!
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Founding Member & Pit Barrel Cooker Queen
- Jul 2014
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My toys:
Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center (WSCGC) aka Mr. Fancypants
Pit Barrel Cooker (which rocks), named Pretty Baby
Weber Summit S650 Gas Grill, named Hot 'n Fast (used mostly for searing and griddling)
Weber Kettle Premium 22" named Kettle Kid, eager to horn in with more cooks in the future
Camp Chef Somerset IV 4-burner outdoor gas range named AfterBurner due to its 30kBTU burners
Adrenaline BBQ Company Gear:SnS Low Profile, DnG, and Large Charcoal Basket, for WSCGC
SnS Deluxe for 22" Kettle
Elevated SS Rack for WSCGC
SS Rack for DnG
Cast Iron GriddleGrill Grate for SnSGrill Grates: five 17.375 sections (retired to storage)
Grill Grates: six 19.25 panels for exact fit for Summit S650
gasser
Grill Grates for 22" Kettle
2 Grill Grate Griddles
Steelmade Griddle for Summit gas grill
Fireboard Gear:Extreme BBQ Thermometer PackagePit Viper Fan (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
Additional control unit
Additional probes: Competition Probes 1" (3) and 4" (1), 3 additional Ambient Probes. 1 additional Food Probe
2 Driver Cables
Pit Viper Fan new design (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
Thermoworks Gear:Thermapen MK4 (pink)Maverick ET 73 a little workhorse with limited range
Thermapen Classic (pink too)
Thermoworks MK4 orange
Temp Test 2 Smart Thermometer
Extra Big and Loud Timer
Timestick Trio
Maverick ET 733
Maverick (Ivation) ET 732
Grill Pinz
Vortex (two of them)
18" drip pan for WSCGC
Ceramic Spacers for WSCGC in Kamado Mode: 2 sets each 1/2", 1", 2". The 2" spacers work best with the 18" drip pan. The 1+1/2 inch spacers work best with the 14 inch cake pan.
Two Joule Sous Vide devices
3 Lipavi Sous Vide Tubs with Lids: 12, 18 and 26 quarts
Avid Armor Ultra Pro V32 Chamber Sealer
Instant Pot 6 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
Instant Pot 10 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
Charcoal Companion TurboQue
A-Maze-N tube 12 inch tube smoker accessory for use with pellets
BBQ Dragon and Dragon Chimney
Shun Classic Series:8" Chef Knife
6" Chef's Knife
Gokujo Boning and Fillet Knife
3 1/2 inch Paring Knife
Sounds like a plan; cracking the vent from the beginning might result in pretty high PBC temps, though. Even a small leak in the lid can keep my PBC perking along at 300-350 degrees in the beginning instead of the 275 I like to smoke at for everything but poultry. Later on in the cook, the effect of a lid leak is not as strong, though.
Kathryn
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Thank you fzxdoc and everyone else that contributed to this thread. I have struggled with temp control on my first two cooks and was getting discouraged. I read this thread last night and put what I learned into practice today. Steady temps and now I'm getting ready to pull a pork shoulder that took little attention. Thanks again for all the time spent giving advice.
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