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  • fzxdoc
    Founding Member
    • Jul 2014
    • 5162
    • My toys:
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    #31
    Originally posted by Koy Schoppe View Post
    pittkappasig I don't think he was saying he used it as a combo. He was saying he cooked pizza on a griddle and on a stone (two different stones) with little to no difference in result.
    Originally posted by martybartram View Post
    pittkappasig
    Koy Schoppe you are correct. The same cast iron used with two different stones. The stones are arguably different quality (they had different prices for sure) but they both work. My real point is that you don't need to spend $100 on a stone.
    So just to clarify, you DO use the combo, martybartram . Combo of griddle on the grate and stone on the griddle. Am I reading that right?

    Kathryn

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    • martybartram
      martybartram commented
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      You are correct Kathryn. Sorry for the delayed response was on vacation in the UP of Michigan.

    • fzxdoc
      fzxdoc commented
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      Welcome back, martybartram . You've been missed!

      Kathryn

    • martybartram
      martybartram commented
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      Thank you! I missed y'all too! fzxdoc
  • Potkettleblack
    Club Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 1960
    • Beautiful Downtown Berwyn
    • Grill: Grilla Original / Weber Genesis EP-330 / OK Joe Bronco Drum
      Thermometers: Thermapen / iGrill 2 / Fireboard
      For Smoke: Chunks / Pellet Tube / Mo Pouch
      Sous Vide: Joule / Nomiku WiFi (RIP Nomiku)
      Disqus: Le Chef - (something something something) - it changes

    #32
    You could also do a pan pizza directly in a cast iron pan. It's in [email protected] but they don't have it linked on the web, but Kenji did it as well.
    http://slice.seriouseats.com/archive...pan-pizza.html

    He notes that 500* produces a better pie and 400*, and that higher temperature produces more dramatic difference. I am inclined, once my field skillet gets here, to put it to the test on the sear burner side of the Genesis. It needs a name, doesn't it?

    I believe the MC folks preheat the cast iron pan, which seemed vaguely insane when I read it.
    Last edited by Potkettleblack; June 29, 2016, 11:53 AM.

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    • pittkappasig
      Former Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 98
      • Pittsburgh PA

      #33
      New stone, followed your methods in the thread (no oak wood didn't have any mild hardwood lying around) BOOM. Pizza life changed for ever... Tried to even mimic your pics😝 Got the kettle up to like 600ish and the crack over the pie is a strong move. Thanks for the thread, I won't be getting delivery any time soon!!

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      • fuzzydaddy
        fuzzydaddy commented
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        Great looking pizza. If only we could post the aroma so everyone could enjoy the smells :-)

      • RonB
        RonB commented
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        fuzzydaddy - all you need is one of the new scratch and sniff monitors.

      • Koy Schoppe
        Koy Schoppe commented
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        Looks great! I think I need to fire it up again, your pics have me craving pizza.
    • Breadhead
      Banned Former Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 0

      #34
      For all of you inspired pizza makers... As you've discovered by now, making the dough is easy peasy. What you've also learned is stretching the dough and shaping it into nice round shapes is very difficult. Well made pizza dough is like a rubber band. You try to stretch it out and as soon as you release the tension it retracts to its original shape.

      My friend and bread mentor, a Master bread baker, Jacob Burton... Has produced a video of how to stretch and shape your pizza crust. Lucky us👍
      https://stellaculinary.com/cooking-v...ch-pizza-dough
      Last edited by Breadhead; July 7, 2016, 01:11 AM.

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      • Chiefsilverback
        Former Member
        • Jul 2016
        • 101
        • Peterborough, NH

        #35
        I can't wait to try this when I get setup with my new 22" kettle + SNS in a couple of weeks!

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        • MBMorgan
          MBMorgan commented
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          Don't forget that a pizza steel is an effective alternative to a stone. My wife is the pizza maker in the family. She switched to a steel over a year ago and her poor stone has been in storage ever since.

        • Thunder77
          Thunder77 commented
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          MH recommends corderite, and I agree. I have a ceramic stone as well, and I like the corderite better.

        • Thunder77
          Thunder77 commented
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          good link here:
          http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_buyers_gu...zza_tools.html
      • DWCowles
        Founding Member
        • Jul 2014
        • 9709
        • Smiths Grove, Ky
        • Hi, my name is Darrell. I'm an OTR truck driver for over 25 years. During my off time I love doing backyard cooks. I have a 48" Lang Deluxe smoker, Rec-Tec pellet smoker,1 Weber Genesis 330, 1 Weber Performer (blue), 2 Weber kettles (1 black and 1 Copper), 1 26" Weber kettle, a WSM, 8 Maverick Redi Chek thermometers, a PartyQ, 2 SnS, Grill Grates, Cast Iron grates, 1 ThermoPop (orange) and 2 ThermoPens (pink and orange) and planning on adding more cooking accessories. Now I have an Anova sous vide, the Dragon blower and 2 Chef alarms from Thermoworks.

        #36
        Nice Koy Schoppe ...just more proof that the Weber kettle / SnS can do the same as one of those high dollar ceramic ovens

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        • RonB
          Club Member
          • Apr 2016
          • 12830
          • Near Richmond VA
          • Weber Performer Deluxe
            SNS
            Pizza insert
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            Chefalarm
            Dot
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          #37
          Some stones will crack if the heat is too high, but I don't know if there is any way to tell except reading reviews. Another option is a Baking Steel. I emailed the Company the other day to ask how much heat the steel could take, (or more accurately, how much heat the coating could take), and they said 1100* F. Here is a link:

          http://www.bakingsteel.com/

          I plan on using my steel for the next pizza.

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          • RonB
            RonB commented
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            Potkettleblack - If you make pie dough or laminated dough, cooling your BS in the refrigerator is a great way to keep the dough from warming too quickly. I'll let you know how well it fits in the 22.5" kettle after it cools off from baking some two bite cherry pies.

          • Breadhead
            Breadhead commented
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            RonB ... Laminated dough. Are we talking croissant here?

          • RonB
            RonB commented
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            @Breadhed - yes, you can make an extra turn or two before having to put the dough back in the refrigerator. However, the dough is a bit longer than the steel, so you have to move the dough around some.
        • Chiefsilverback
          Former Member
          • Jul 2016
          • 101
          • Peterborough, NH

          #38
          Had my first go tonight, forgot to close the top vent, so that something for next time, but more important I need practice with the dough, lots of tears and now my stone looks like a war happened on it! Here's the 'obligatory' through the crack pic of pizza 1. Pizza 2 sat on the counter for too long, got stuck and became a rustic calzone when I crushed it into a ball in frustration and chucked it on the stone, wasn't too bad after baking for 15 mins!
          Attached Files

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          • Koy Schoppe
            Charter Member
            • Feb 2015
            • 148
            • Greensboro, NC
            • Name:
              Koy

              ​Location:
              Greensboro, North Carolina

              Grills:
              22" Weber + Slow N Sear
              Pit Barrel Cooker

              Thermo's:
              iGrill 2
              Thermopop

              Drinks:
              Mainly beer, preferably local: Karbach, Southern Star, Lone Pint, and anything else made in Texas!

              Cooks for:
              Wife, 2 kids (9 & 5), 2 doodle dogs, and whoever smells the smoke and comes on over

            #39
            Was at Home Depot this weekend and had a moment heavy MCS when I saw the PizzaQue. For 69 bucks couldn't pass it up. New coderite stone and extra pizza peel were merely icing on the cake as my main goal was to eliminate the lid balancing act. Last nights pizza turned out great. Tonight's was a bit frustrating. I went to turn my pizza and it was too soon, and I ended up pushing it onto the coals! In the scramble to get it off coals I pretty much destroyed it. Rookie move. But once done it still tasted good. Even the homemade cheese stuffed that the kids wanted turned out ok. Kids were happy so it was a success.

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            • JDenver
              JDenver commented
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              @Koy_Schoppe, I ended up buying it too. I didn't have a stone or peel, so for $69 for everything it seemed like a decent deal. Tonight I broke it in and the pizzas turned out pretty good. Just another meal I can work to master.
          • Chiefsilverback
            Former Member
            • Jul 2016
            • 101
            • Peterborough, NH

            #40
            Before my next go at this I'm trying to think of a good method for raising the stone so it's flush with the rim of the kettle. Using a cast iron griddle doesn't seem like it would get the stone high enough, and I thought about using my skillet, but I think it could end up taking the seasoning off. Now I'm thinking about getting two pieces of angle iron to lay perpendicular to the main cooking grate, a second grate on top of the angle and then the stone....

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            • David Parrish
              Founding Member - Pit Boss Emeritus
              • May 2014
              • 5041
              • Charlotte, NC
                • Slow 'N Sear Kamado (SnSK)
                • Lots of grills that work with Slow 'N Sear
                • LOTS of digital thermometers (my fav)
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              #41
              Thought about fire bricks?

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              • David Parrish
                David Parrish commented
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                They would act as additional thermal mass. So they would slow down the heating process, but once hot would help stone maintain heat.

              • Chiefsilverback
                Chiefsilverback commented
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                Looks like 6 9"x4" firebricks will cost about $16 and should give a nice 1.5" lift to the stone, so I might pick some up on my way home...

              • Breadhead
                Breadhead commented
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                This is a good device to rise your pizza stone up higher... Simple too.
                https://www.amazon.com/Grill-Dome-GE...ag=amazi0a8-20
            • RonB
              Club Member
              • Apr 2016
              • 12830
              • Near Richmond VA
              • Weber Performer Deluxe
                SNS
                Pizza insert
                Rotisserie
                Smokenator 1000
                Cookshack Smokette Elite
                2 Thermapens
                Chefalarm
                Dot
                lots of probes.
                CyberQ

              #42
              I thought about using firebricks too. If you are not worried about additional thermal mass, two or four bricks should do it. If one brick on opposite sides is stable enough, that would be all you need. If not stable enough, then one on each side should do it. I'd place them as far apart as possible to expose as much of the stone as possible to the heat.
              I've had a Pizza Kettle for several years, but never used it much. After reading how Kenji modified it, (Thanx Dr ROK ), I'm going to try that setup since I already have all the parts.

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              • Chiefsilverback
                Former Member
                • Jul 2016
                • 101
                • Peterborough, NH

                #43
                Originally posted by RonB View Post
                I thought about using firebricks too. If you are not worried about additional thermal mass, two or four bricks should do it. If one brick on opposite sides is stable enough, that would be all you need. If not stable enough, then one on each side should do it. I'd place them as far apart as possible to expose as much of the stone as possible to the heat.
                I've had a Pizza Kettle for several years, but never used it much. After reading how Kenji modified it, (Thanx Dr ROK ), I'm going to try that setup since I already have all the parts.
                I'm not worried about stability as much as the stresses on the stone, having the 'load' on two or four small contact areas.

                I'm thinking about doing a run with one chimney of ashed coals going on the charcoal grate, bricks and stone in and let that all heat nicely whilst a second chimney of coals ashes over for the SnS. Once that's in it will be time to start stretching and topping...

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                • Chiefsilverback
                  Former Member
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 101
                  • Peterborough, NH

                  #44
                  Thanks Breadhead, I thought about a hover grill but I think both might lift the stone too high. I picked up some firebricks for $2.50 each so stay tuned for an update...

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                  • Meathead
                    Administrator
                    • May 2014
                    • 1421
                    • Chicago area
                    • Remember, no rules in the bedroom or kitchen
                      Meathead

                    #45
                    DOH! Makes perfect sense!

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